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August 14, 2006
At Least Democrats Demonstrate and Vote
All this belly-aching by Muslims in England saying that terrorism there is because of British foreign policy is making me appreciate, however annoying, the ankle biting by the Democrats.
Yes, many of their ideas foreign policies are disasterous and dangerous - but at least they organize and vote for people that advocate changing our foreign policy.
Their hatred of Bush has not lead them to blowing up subways or trying to take down aircraft.
Yet.
UPDATE: Paul seems to forget history...
Signs supporting Republican candidates John Thune and Larry Diedrich were spray painted, stolen or destroyed up and down West Boulevard, as well as on several streets nearby. West Boulevard resident Ellen Drabek said Saturday that she lost two signs from her yard during the night.
Madison homeowners are livid after vandals defaced their homes.
Someone burned an 8-foot-by-8-foot Nazi swastika on a home's lawn near where Bush-Cheney signs were posted. The vandals used grass killer to spray the symbol.
Several nearby homes were vandalized -- all were within a two-block radius on the West Side, near Ice Age Trail, News 3 reported.
"For someone to use that level of violence to try to make a political point, it is just a shock," said Chad Tindell, Knox County Republican chairman.
Local 6 News reported that several people from the group of 100 Orlando protestors face possible assault charges after the group forced their way inside the Republican headquarters office.
In addition, local Republicans say scores of other campaign signs have been destroyed or vandalized in the past couple of weeks, most of them along major highways.
A silver Cadillac "swerved off the road and drove up the sidewalk" heading "straight towards Ms. Harris," according to the police arrest report.
Blah, blah, blah.
Posted by Aaron at August 14, 2006 05:43 PM
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Only you would equate Americans who disagree with you as potential terrorists.
Fuck you. You are, indeed, scum.
Posted by: paul at August 14, 2006 05:48 PM
paul forgets a lot of things, usually his meds.
Seems to me that when liberals lose an argument, they resort to "Fuck you."
Posted by: Charles at August 14, 2006 08:00 PM
Charles, unlike your host Aaron, I don't take psychotropic medication.
Posted by: paul at August 15, 2006 01:51 AM
That's what I said, you didn't take it.
Hm, are we not reading what people write before we comment again?
:-)
Anything to say on all the violence before the 2004 election that was done to suprress the GOP vote?
Posted by: Charles at August 15, 2006 02:32 AM
You want to compare ugly incidents of violence during an election to wholesale slaughter of innocents, stop complaining about the Bush=Hitler references.
Posted by: paul at August 15, 2006 09:31 AM
One really has to feel sorry for all of those poor signs, blades of grass, windowpanes, and lap top computers that died at the hands of those crazy Liberals.
March 10, 1993: Conservative Anti-Abortion Activist Michael Griffin murdered Dr. David Gunn at a Pensacola, Florida family planning center. Griffin sneaked up behind Gunn and pumped three bullets into his back as he was walking from his car to go to work. Dr. Gunn had been the subject of “wanted dead or alive” posters distributed by Operation Rescue. Griffin identified himself as a Pro-Life Christian Republican.
July 30, 1994: Conservative Anti-Abortion Activist Paul Hill, murdered two people at a Pensacola Florida Family Planning Clinic and severely wounded a third person. Killed in the attack were retired Air Force Colonel James Herman Barrett who bravely volunteered his time to escort the second murder victim, Dr. John Bayard Britton to work each day. Colonel Barrett’s wife June was wounded in the attack which Hill made with a 12 gauge pump action shotgun.
August 19, 1993: Conservative Anti-Abortion Activist Rachelle Shannon shot Dr. George Tiller, a physician at a Wichita Family Planning Clinic, at close range when he is on his way to work.
December 30, 1994: Shannon Lowney and Ann Nichols were killed in two separate clinic bombings in Brookline, Massachusetts. The attacker was Conservative Anti-abortion Activist John Salvi. Fittingly, after he was convicted of this crime, Salvi killed himself by tying a garbage bag around his head.
January 29, 1988: Birmingham Police Officer, Robert Sanderson, was killed by Anti-Gary, Anti-Abortion Conservative Eric Robert Rudolph during a bombing of a Birmingham Family Planning Clinic. Rudolph, who called himself a “Conservative Roman Catholic Warrior” fighting against Abortion and the “homosexual agenda”, was responsible for a number of other bombings involving Family Planning Clinics, Gay Bars and public gatherings. In all, Rudolph murdered a total of 3 people and injured 150 more.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian, a physician at a family planning clinic, was shot to death in his Amherst, NY home by Conservative anti-abortion activist James Kopp.
I could go on typing for days, because over the last 30 years the right wing has commited the following violence just against those supporting the right to choose: 8 murders, 17 attempted murders, 3 kidnappings, 375 death threats, 655 anthrax threats, 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 89 attempted bombings/arsons , 1,347 incidences of criminial trespassing, 1,213 incidences of vandalism, and 100 attacks on individuals with butyric acid.
When I get time, I’ll compile a list of violence perpetrated against liberals on other causes that we support. Of course Aaron's examples, as well as mine, represent the lunatic fringe of our parties, but who cares? Its just a blog. Facts aren’t what we are about. Just things of interest to the readers.
Posted by: KeithS at August 15, 2006 10:54 AM
Actually paul, he didn't! He said that at least the liberals aren't doing that yet!
Oh but right, you've already admitted that you don't read what you respond to:
Posted by: Charles at August 15, 2006 11:07 AM
I didn't know that people who are actually candidates on the ticket, their children, workers unions and the like are FRINGE anything.
Also, you have not identified the party affiliation of those abortion incidents.
Remember, Fred Phelps of "God Hates Fags" is a democrat and supported Al Gore.
Posted by: Aaron at August 15, 2006 11:34 AM
Hey Keith? At the time the anti-abortion shootings were going on in the 90s, I distinctly remember John Joseph Cardinal O'Connor, NY's top bishop, vociferously denouncing those people and telling them to shoot him first. Similar statements were made by just about everybody on talk radio there at the time.
Where are the statements of denouncing the incidents that Aaron linked to from the left side of things?
Posted by: Charles at August 15, 2006 11:38 AM
Precisely.
Did I link to all the eco-terrorism events and try to pen it on the democrats? No.
I put up events that are directly related to partisanship and violence.
Posted by: Aaron at August 15, 2006 12:15 PM
Cardinal O'Connor had what official role in the Republican Party that should quailify him as the official voice denouncing violence for them? As I recall, O'Connor stated on several occassions that he was not a member of either political party.
The vast majority of people in the Democratic party denounce stupid dirty tricks like those mentioned. I don't need to waste my time looking them up for you since you already know its true but choose to lie. Why don't you instead try to find a few organized Demoratic groups that have murdered Republicans for their poltical stances? That will be a little harder to come up with I think.
Posted by: KeithS at August 15, 2006 12:31 PM
All I need to do is a lexis nexis search of all the ex con's that got out of jail and committed murder again because of some ACLU lawyers (Democrat Party Donor, Trial Lawyers (Democrat Party Donor), Democratic legislation or Michael Dukakis.
And I wonder who would be to blame if everyone was released from Club Gitmo? What happens if they kill again?
Are those all DEMOCRAT enough for you?
Again. The abortion murders are not related to the Republican party, no more than the eco-terrorism is.
Posted by: Aaron at August 15, 2006 01:16 PM
How true, Charles.
I hear you're not fucking five year old girls.
Yet.
Posted by: paul at August 15, 2006 01:25 PM
Paul, the last comment crossed the line...
No one is accusing anyone of being child molestors.
Posted by: Aaron at August 15, 2006 01:32 PM
Actually Aaron, I didn't. I said that at least Charles isn't doing that yet!
If you think there's not much of a difference, I've made my point. OF course I don't believe Charles would do any such thing, and if any got that impresssion, erase it.
Posted by: paul at August 15, 2006 02:29 PM
ROTFL!!!
Nice to see I've gotten under your skin paul.
Keith, I meant that the Cardinal was one of the most prominent pro-life political figures at the time. I meant to frame it as a pro-life force versus a pro-abortion force, but I was not clear. You were right to call me on that. So I will now reframe it as follows:
The most visible proponents of the pro-life position were very careful to loudly and roundly condemn those forces using violence against abortion providers.
Now Keith, you said I chose to lie. You're pushing into paul's territory by making things up now. I'm willing to have a civil conversation with you, if you want. I did no such thing. I will restate my question.
Perhaps the vast majority of the party do denounce it. That's not my point. I want to see some links to where the prominent members of the Democrat party denounced these violent activities in a fashion analogous to how the prominent advocates of the pro-life position denounced those who committed violence against abortion providers.
There you go Keith, I am attempting to have a serious discourse with you. If you think I have missed a point of yours, or not been sufficiently been clear in mine, let me know.
Posted by: Charles at August 15, 2006 03:11 PM
Charles - you thoughtfully reason out your disagreement with another through straightforward discussion - and with no small element of respect.
I applaud you.
Too bad Aaron (and other rampant partisans of all sides) will not do the same.
Posted by: tj at August 15, 2006 05:28 PM
Umm, well...
tj I appreciate the kidn words, but I have to come clean. I'm not always as reasonable as I ought to be.
But you know what folks? Reading a comment like that makes me want to be better.
Posted by: Charles at August 15, 2006 06:41 PM
tj is a flake.
he circles like a vulture - never commenting on posts that are brilliantly written and knock it out of the park.
He just waits until there is a mistake - or he misconstrues something and then goes in for the kill.
He has still never replied to my point that during the 2004 election, John Kerry proposed giving the Iranians uranium for them to process to "test" them.
That would have been a wonderful tip to a Katusha rocket raining down on Israel...
Posted by: aaron at August 15, 2006 07:23 PM
And Paul, where was your evidence of any LEANINGS toward pedophilia by Charles?
I provided a long list of terrorist - lite political attacks on Republicans during the 2004 election.
Posted by: aaron at August 15, 2006 07:34 PM
I have absolutely no evidence or reason to believe what I wrote about Charles.
Posted by: paul at August 16, 2006 07:29 PM
Yeah, why should I be different than anything else he writes?
Posted by: Charles at August 17, 2006 01:10 AM