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August 09, 2006
Ned Lamont's Netroots: Scrap Support for Israel - Impose Secular State
The trend towards insanity continues:
In my diary of yesterday, I proposed that our party support the creation of a single secular democracy in the area now controlled by Israel, and I was impressed by the quality of responses. Based on this tiny sample of 100 or so Democrats, I'm thinking that maybe the average Democratic voter might be open to taking a more impartial role in the Middle East - and thus making our country less of an object of hatred by Muslims everywhere.
The most common objections to such a proposal is that the two sides hate each other too much to stop the killing and that outside forces, like the USA, cannot impose a solution.
However, I think that the US, as the prime, and virtually the only, supplier for the Israeli Defense Force for the past many decades has the capacity to force a settlement simply by cutting off that support.
Posted by Aaron at August 9, 2006 12:39 PM
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The two halves of that headline are mutually contradictory. If the US cuts off support for Isreal it will no longer have the leverage to impose a change in government on Isreal.
And while it's true that we are supplying the Isreali side of that war, Syria and Iran are supplying the other side and unless they buy into the deal it wouldn't work.
One thing is certain, as long as we're giving 8 to 9 billion dollars a year to one side we can't credibly pose as an impartial peace broker and that's what's been the problem for the last 39 years.
So how is any of this insane, other than you disagree with it?
Posted by: IaintBacchus at August 9, 2006 05:13 PM
Um, we give aid to the Palestinians AND the Lebonese.
Posted by: aaron at August 9, 2006 05:16 PM
Well, sort of. We gave $35 million to Lebanon this year. In economic aid. But this conflict isn't between Lebanon and isreal, it's between hezbollah (displaced palastinians) and Isreal. Bush cut off humanitarian aid to palastine when they voted in Hammas. We've never given either Lebanon or Palistine military aid, unless you count the 24th MEF in '82. And Isreal recieved several orders of magnitude more foriegn aid this year than even Lebanon. Most of it military.
On the other hand, Hezbollah has fired over 3000 rockets in the last week. They didn't make them in a gagage in suburbian Beruit, so either Syria or Iran has a great deal of leverage over what Hezbollah does. Just like the US has over Isreal.
As both Israel and the US need to learn, is isn't practicle to kill everyone who disagrees with you. So at some point you have to start negotiating. And since neither of the primaries has been rational about this issue for about the last two generations it's time to get the enablers together.
Posted by: IaintBacchus at August 9, 2006 06:02 PM
You really are a stupid POS aren't you. You don't know the difference between Iran pulling the puppet strings of hezbullah and the fact that Israel is it's own sovereign Nation.
"As both Israel and the US need to learn, is isn't practicle to kill everyone who disagrees with you. So at some point you have to start negotiating."
Unfucken believable, shut the hell up immediately and place your head back up your ass. That is what you need to learn . Just shut up.
It is however Practical to kill those first who have vowed to kill you. Need you be reminded on a daily basis that the incompetant democrat frauds are in the Minority and for good reason.
Posted by: RobLACa. at August 9, 2006 08:22 PM
You sound like you hate Democrats, which is like almost half the country. So how can you love America when you hate half of the AMericans?
Posted by: paul at August 10, 2006 02:01 AM
No need for the course language, but Rob is correct.
Hezbollah is not Palestinian. Palestinians are ethnically Sunni Arabs from Jordan, Egypt and Syria.
The Hezbos are an Iranian operation in Lebanon.
But we all can be wrong sometimes, IB.
I was certainly wrong about rigor mortis.
Posted by: aaron at August 10, 2006 04:59 AM